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  1. Great, that didn’t take long. Now if I can only get the link to click through to pre-order ‘Purgatory’s Shore’.

  2. Well I guess I’ll be the first to comment in general discussions!

    Awaiting the book, obviously, and hoping we’ll have a community as we did for the Destroyermen series (and, a series that I hope we’ll see some more of in the future, those fine men aren’t done yet).

      1. Those other two weren’t there when I commented. Guess there’s still a few bugs…

  3. Is Courtney’s full World’s I’ve Wondered forward going to be in it’s finished form at the start of Purgatory’s Shore?

    1. I suspect (don’t know, of course) that Courtney’s World’s won’t come over with the Artillerymen. Different series, different way of doing things.

  4. I posted a comment on the last general discussions right before everything got reset. I hope it’s SOMEWHERE out there…

  5. near the end of winds of wrath two large booms were heard and speculation was they were from volcanoes. I think they were the atomic bombs dropped on japan. The time frame is right.

  6. Just finished Winds of Wrath. Totall enjoyed and very happy that you had Walker pull into Port with all the Fanfair. I can see the League and the Alliance still causing trouble for each other down the road. Really a great series and a great ending. Thank You!

  7. I think The Worlds I’ve Wondered might come out as a separate book

    Also I would like to see a series about SMS Amerika and her crew (Linermen, maybe?) in the future

  8. Hi guys. Sorry, I’m still having trouble with this new site. Used to be, when someone posted here, I was notified by e-mail and I could respond or quickly moderate the post. Not getting that. I hope it’s sorted out soon.

  9. Here are some pics of taylod and his version of the walker. Whenever he was writing deck scenes he would walk over and study it to keep from writing incorrect descriptions.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/donaldjj/36528164592/in/album-72157687863387035/ The entire ship
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/donaldjj/35862098904/in/album-72157687863387035/ The bow section Where is the coke machine or is it the white block in back of the bridge
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/donaldjj/35887575283/in/album-72157687863387035/ The mid section
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/donaldjj/36527895102/in/album-72157687863387035/ The stern section

  10. I can see that Taylor has been around cleaning things up. bunch of comments gone. there needs to be a way to correct an entry to fix typos as I see I misspelled Taylor in my last post. and caught the spell correction in this one.

  11. Out of curiosity, since I haven’t got around to reading Winds of Wrath yet, what ships did the Grand Alliance capture from the League of Tripoli?

    1. One Littorio-class battleship, one Francesco Caracchiolllo-class battleship, one (or two) German D-class turbine pocket battleships.

  12. I just read the Kobo preview for Purgatory’s Shore and can confirm that The Worlds I’ve Wondered is not at the start of it. Instead, the introduction to another Courtney Bradford book, Lands and Peoples, published by Library of Alex-aandra Press, is at the start.

  13. Michael Clitheroe

    Well folks the book turned up on the 9th and I’ve nearly finished it.

    I love it and it has now an even more important meaning as a read as my father passed away the day before it turned up giving me a sense of bitter sweet enjoyment of the original series that has helped me through some hard times over the last few years and this new hoped for first instalment of the new series.

    Taylor keep on writing and bring us more of the dangerous but exciting world of the artillery and destoryermen

    If anyone is interested in wargaming Regal in New Zealand and William Hocker in the USA do some really fine figures for the Mexican American War period

    I have previously wargamed some of the naval engagement’s via Navwar mini ships and had a interesting time

  14. These troops are so badly outnumbered, they need weapons that can be loaded much faster. They need to make a long distance phone call to Dennis Silva to see what he recomm.

    1. Michael Clitheroe

      Not sure if my item just posted applied or not but Paterson and Walker Colts were used as the basis for cylinder rifles so they could easily go down that route as the Paterson .36 was developed in 1838 I think.

  15. Michael Clitheroe

    When you consider the Colt Paterson or Colt Walker you could scale up to a cylinder rifle. In fact I think the Paterson was developed into a rifle in 1838 I think and I know that later Colt pistols were developed into rifles. So in theory they could have repeating rifles in .36 or .44 and with removable cylinders with preloaded replacement cylinders they could put quiet a lot of fire into an enemy with the right tools etc. this could be done I’d say. Never fired any thing like this so not sure how easy to machine or degree of reliability compared to other repeating rifles but it could be done. If I recall correctly British frontier forces in Southern Africa were armed with cylinder flintlocks in the 1820’s, I’m sure it was referenced in a Allan Mallinson Light Dragoon novel so I’d assume he bases the reference in fact

  16. To my knowledge, the only Cylinder rifle that ever saw “widespread” use was the 1855 Colt Root and it very unpopular for a variety of reasons. They required complicated (expensive) machining and had quite a few small, rather delicate internal parts, (both features being a deterrent to military procurement), and soldiers who did get them tended to hate them. Five or six (depending on caliber) quick shots were handy, but then it took MUCH longer to reload them than it would to reload a single-shot weapon five or six times. Rate of fire was therefore affected. Multiple cylinders weren’t an answer (and really never were for anyone in practice) because parts interchangeability remained a bit iffy. A trooper might tune a few expensive cylinders to fit his particular rifle (or pistol) but they wouldn’t necessarily function well in someone else’s. Not like modern magazines that will fit in anything designed to accept them. Hand (for rotating) and bolt (cylinder stop) engagement had to be just so, and revolvers with similar mechanisms still need a touch of tuning to achieve interchangeability even today. The biggest problems with them, however, were–and are–the sharp, potentially painful gas (and sometimes lead fragment) release between the cylinder and forcing cone. Even worse was the potential for a multiple discharge. Not a huge problem with a pistol, but when your supporting hand is in front of the cylinder on a rifle when the chamber next to the one you fired also goes off . . . Well. Disconcerting at the very least and likely crippling. The story is, they tried to issue them to Berdan’s Sharpshooters and were told to pound sand. That’s how they very appropriately wound up with Sharps rifles.
    On a personal note, I’ve shot pistols of similar deign all my life. I even had a Root pistol for a while. Very nice. But even loaded carefully, I’ve had occasional, sometimes memorable, multiple discharges from cap and ball revolvers. Enough that when allowed to shoot my Grandfather’s Root Rifle as a kid, (which had suffered the loss of the wooden forearm to a multiple discharge at some point ) I was sensible enough to prop it on a fence post. It is cool that I have shot one, but I would never WANT one, and certainly wouldn’t choose to rely on one in combat if given a choice!

  17. michael clitheroe

    Well that answers that.

    I fired a few single shot breech loaders and a few flinters and matchlocks with re enactors over the years so never had a crack at a cap and ball except once with a 1853 Enfield. I missed the target and put the round through and through a friend’s truck doors. Thankfully his truck and his Enfield so he was very good good about it.

    Didn’t Dreyse produce his first viable breech loader in 1836-37? So in theory the Americans could have known about complete cartridges systems and so with caps have the benefit of the speed of breech loading over the slow load rate of the Doms. I know there were the issues of sealing the breech etc. but it could answer the issue of rate of fire.

    Based on what we know from the destoryermen series the Americans in Central America were using muzzle loaders if I recall correctly plus cap and ball pistols for people like captain Anson.

    1. Dreyse rifle was tested in 1840, and adopted for Prussian service in 1841. Production rate was low due to complicated mechanics. I seriously doubt that 1847 Americans – outside of arm production business – knew much about it. Some probably may know that Prussians have functional breech-loading rifle, but not the details.

      Anyway, it’s plainly impossible for proto-NUS to produce such weaponry. It required level of precision machining way beyond their capabilities. Most importantly, against Dom’s it probably just not needed; the muzzle-loading rifles with Minie balls would gave enough advantage (and still be quite a pain to produce on almost-nonexistent industrial base).

      1. Yes, it’s the industrial base that is the issue, just as with the Alliance and the Destroyermen. The Artillerymen will need to build the machines to make machines to make machines. While it’s likely that a few hundred men of that time have quite varied skills, one is asking that they build a 19th century industrial base from scratch. That’s going to be quite a problem. And, let’s not forget that the Yucatan, even (or especially) the Yucatan of the new world, is relatively resource-poor and not conducive to building an industrial base.

        Hmmm, wonder where they might go to find what they need to survive?

  18. michael clitheroe

    As I recall the bulk of the detached expeditionary force would have the standard smoothbore flintlock so effective range would be equal to the Dom matchlock. Depending of course on quality of the gunpowder being used. The American flintlock rifles do give a vast range advantage and the socket bayonet also giving the cold steel combined with ability to keep firing and loading.

    I am surprised that as the Dom’s developed steam power from ‘friendly persuasion’, and I shudder at the thought of just how, why they did not take the next logical step to use socket bayonets even if they did not take on flintlocks as that would be a game changer.

    Of course the breech loader goes back to the late 1500’s but were used by hunters in situations were a second shot preloaded and ready may be the difference between life and death. And of course the breechloading rifle starts with the Ferguson but due to slow production and high cost as never taken up in effective way.

    It’s rather like the development of the machine gun, repeaters go back to the puckle gun in the early 1700’s but took several combinations of ideas, tools and lateral thinking to create a viable weapon that could be relied on to work when it was needed.

    1. Doesn’t have to be time accurate, just that it was around during ww2 or right after (like the Des Moines)

      Example: An Atlanta class. Its 5″ guns should put a sailing ship down with a single salvo, it has lots of them to better deal with those swarms of grik indiamen, and could pelt Amagi and Savoie to death with a continuous barrage of shells. And since it has all those guns, they could have some removed to be placed on other ships without significantly lowering its effectiveness.

      1. “and could pelt Amagi and Savoie to death with a continuous barrage of shells.”

        Amagi or Savoie would blow her out of water before she managed to score a hit. This isn’t “World of Warships”. 127-mm/38 mount have a max range only 15000 meters, and her shells require more than a minute to fly that far. And the dispersion of light slow shells at max range would be terrible.

      2. Its reality. Battleships and battlecruisers could not be “pelted to death”. Especially not the “Bretagne”-class, to which “Savioe” belong; those old French superdreadnoughts have almost all their hulls armored with 7-inch armor.

  19. Just finished! Another great book Taylor! Even though I know the good guys win, I’m still wincing at every mention of them taking loses.

  20. After the events of Destroyermen, do you think there will be an increase in new ships being “squalled” into their world? (or at least that stay alive long enough to make contact with someone) I think that based on what we know, yes, and there are plenty of opportunities for stories there.

    First of all at least as far as we know events that propel ships, planes (and other things) have gotten more frequent, as the Dominion, NUS ships, ships that formed New Britain and elements that formed the Republic of Real People came through over the course of hundreds of years. Meanwhile in just a few years Walker and Mahn, Santy Cat, S-19, The PBY, Amagi, Ho, the League and several other wrecks have come through.

    There are some limitations to this theory, since we haven’t looked at the entire world. There could still be groups that got transported that we don’t know. More than likely there have been dozens to hundreds of ships and maybe land based communities (along with perhaps a few aircraft in recent years) over centuries that came through and simply were defeated by the hostile environment that is in the destroyermen world and the lack of resupply. Or they die to the variety of animals that threaten everyone in Destroyermen.

    However even with that limitation to the theory it is still likely that any ship that crosses into the world of the Destroyermen will be more likely to survive, at least depending on the region it’s in. If they send out a radio message somewhere in the pacific or Indian Ocean it will be likely picked up by the alliance. A lot more of the world is inhabited or known to be and any new ship is more likely to find someone then eventually die.

    Second of all at least in our world and ones that are similar the world there would be an increase in ships going around the world as countries have started to adopt liberal trade policies. This is increasing the amount of ships on the water. Think about now how much stuff is shipped around the world and how much of what we interact with would not be possible without global trade. And the more ships sailing around the higher chance one of them is to run into a rainsquall and well the rest is history. (maybe the supply shortages many people right now are having could be due to the squall, who knows). While a lot of these ships would be civilian vessels, the cargo and people they carry along with the ship itself would still be invaluable to whoever’s door it turned up on.

    One other little detail to point out: All of the stuff that has passed through the squall has been from a world that we can at least understand with points of divergence that are fairly recent. However there is always the possibility that something that comes through the squall could have a point of divergence within our history that is hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years old. These worlds might be similar in some ways, but have totally different cultures, technology levels, and essentially everything else. While it might confuse readers it might be a cool idea.

    1. “However there is always the possibility that something that comes through the squall could have a point of divergence within our history that is hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years old”

      I very strongly suspect, that Mountain Fishes are the example of later; they came from the world, were evolutionary process diverged from ours hundreds of millions years ago. That’s how they managed to circumvent the size limits of Earth organic; they are NOT composed from organic matter as we understood.

      1. “I very strongly suspect, that Mountain Fishes are the example of later; they came from the world, were evolutionary process diverged from ours hundreds of millions years ago. That’s how they managed to circumvent the size limits of Earth organic; they are NOT composed of organic matter as we understood.” Yeah I hope we get some sort of explanation for this.

        Here’s another idea that makes this even crasier: I wonder if anything is going on in space. There are environmental differences to the environment on the Destroyermen Earth so why not on other worlds? What’s to stop Mars being able to support life and other differences in within our solar system. It is of course going to be a long time before anyone on the destroyermen world gets into space, but its a cool idea. I also wonder if something similar to the squall could happen in space, because it obviously won’t involve rain.

      2. Answered in Storm Surge – the Martians would get dumped out into a completely different “ground state” because that set of parallel worlds differs too much from our set.

        That said, there’s no rule against a nuclear sub full of tea-sipping civilized Grik five books from now.

      3. Ancient super advanced civilizations? Star ship has FTL drive malfunction and crashes into the destroyermen world, and/or a certain green clad super soldier escapes at the last second using an escape pod and crashes into the Borneo wilderness…

    2. michael clitheroe

      It is the great thing with this type of story the what if. Say the final Renaissance took place two hundred years earlier then the impact of the enlightenment etc. kicks in sooner putting technology further ahead. Equally as we look at our own history and the evidence of some wild ideas that did not take originally and think along the progression if someone had thought ‘Great idea’ e.g. evidence of the steam powered ‘toys’ in the classical world, some of the early ideas in China over use of rockets and gunpowder all could have moved our world forward far sooner. So on one world Rome did not rise but the Greeks built their Alexandrian Empire and absorbed the best ideas from the world they could have leapt forward or wallowed in the here and now. After all Rome stole many of it’s best ideas from other peoples and did not always think beyond to the next level. A concept of if it isn’t broken don’t fix it. Equally if the limiting and somewhat blinkered early Christian views did not come to play would the classical world based on logic have made leaps forward to create what we would call a modern world sooner. Or would we have found a stagnant pool unchanging and stuck inward looking and unwilling to develop further.

      I think that everything is possible and with metal appearing to be a big factor in the transportation process it could be amazing what could passage to the new world and with the many smaller wars in the later part of the 20th century you could have anything from tank battalion’s nuclear subs crossing over even bombs or drones as we get nearer to the here and now

      1. Or (the horror! the horror!) the world, where USSR won the Cold War, and capitalism is viewed as outdated, failed idea, attractive only for poor, undeveloped nations like South Korea and West Germany? 🙂

    3. I wrote a short story (“Last Contact”) about that idea a while back for a contest the DFA group had on Facebook. Not every group that comes through is able to survive; certainly any group that come to rest in sub-Saharan Africa, or South America, was going to have a major and immediate problem.

  21. A lot of what comes through the squall may very well be hostile, so I’d imagine that even in peacetime the Grand Alliance is going to keep a quite strong navy and air force.

    I think something from a Soviet controlled world or a cold war going hot would be cool though, maybe something like what is portrayed in red storm rising. There are always possibilities for scenarios where the axis wins with something similar to Man in the High Castle, though anything involving the US being occupied by essentially anyone later than the 1800’s I feel is very unrealistic. I guess for a more realistic axis victory scenario there is the Hearts of Iron Four mod The New Order: Last Days of Europe, but another idea for stuff that comes through the squall could be something from a post apocalyptic world. With sufficient nuclear weapons you can certainly make civilization collapse (something that eventually happens in the mod).

    1. Got a stray plot bunny for a Thousand Week Reich carrier that the League redirects to South Africa – strong enough to be a short-term problem for the Allies, but not enough to be a long-term one.

      1. that would be a problem for the alliance, though it would really depend on what its airgoup is equipped with

      2. Apparently the Graf Zep class would’ve carried 30 Me 155s (naval 109Gs) and 12 Stukas; for perspective, a Yorktown or Maaka-Kakja carries twice that many. So a significant problem… for maybe a week or two.

  22. Yeah, the Graf Zep was a pretty bad design considering the amount of aircraft it could carry for its size and displacement. I wonder if it would be modified in the world of twr and carry a different air group or keep it the same. Even with 30 155s the Alliance showed that they had a decent capability to deal with modern fighters in Winds of Wrath. And 12 Stukas is just a pitiful strike group, so I don’t see it doing much damage against alliance forces. And using the Stukas as scout planes would take away even more from that offensive capability.

    1. Maybe, maybe not. The Third Reich’s military-industrial complex was downright North Korean most of the time – seeing as Goering wanted all planes to belong to the Luftwaffe, it’s a minor miracle the GZ got built at all. The air wing wouldn’t even have taken off conventionally, they needed two steam catapults at the front like a Rube Goldberg machine.

      That said, the Union fliers were basically up against 109D/Es and it was still a lopsided fight, so 109Gs might as well be 262s as far as the Bull Bat pilots are concerned. Wonder if two carriers (24 Stukas) would be enough to threaten Alex-aandria…?

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